English Rampage
Burning Cars, Burning Buses, Burning Business, Looting Community Shops and Attacking Press. -- All in the name of Mark Duggan who was caught with a firearm in a Taxi and shot at a police officer.
Press are walking around in Libya little problems but in London start burning down their vans, beating and threatening reporters.
They say they want justice for Duggan or are these guys just Southerner Thugs?
I get the feeling this is an excuse driven thuggery.
Adam H
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Nothing wrong with excuse driven thuggery isn't that what caused us to go into Iraq looking for WMD's!!
The trouble is that the focus is on one event causing the riot and not the constant harassment that people deal with via police on a daily basis. They are venting their anger for all the things that happen in their lives and this shooting of an armed criminal was just the spark rather than the cause. Quite frankly the press are seldom innocent bystanders and if they reported things properly then maybe the tensions in such areas would not be allowed to continue.
Anyway I am happy that the anger is centred on a few vehicles and some property as it is much better than other people.
Trust the people of Tottenham to do a supermarket sweep of JD Sports
This is a very depressing situation. I suppose we should be grateful that nobody has been killed this time. The 1985 Tottenham riots resulted in a police officer being hacked to death in an attempt to behead him, I recall. Though this will be cold comfort to those ordinary, decent people who have lost their homes and all their possessions.
I know nothing about tensions between the police and the ethnic community in Tottenham so do not feel qualified to comment other than to say that perhaps we are reaping the rewards of our colonial policies in the past. People are entitled to peaceful protest if they believe a wrong has been done. What I do know is that no reasonable person can excuse the setting fire to people's homes and the looting of shops. How is this getting back at the police?
If I know Tottenham, and I do, the vast majority of people rioting and looting are just in it for sh!ts and giggles... I'd better my bottom dollar there's absolutely no political objective involved for almost any of them, just killing a Saturday night in N17 and coming away with a free pair of Reebok classics and a mobile. I wouldn't bother reading too much into it.
As far as "venting anger" because of "constant harassment", load of ****e... If you don't want to be harassed take off your effin hoody and stop standing around kicking cans and gozzing on street corners.
Besides, there are hardly any bobbies on the beat in Tottenham so I don't know where this so called harassment is coming from.
Last edited by marcy; 07-08-2011 at 02:19 PM.
'colonial policies' - What are you talking about.
As has been reported it was a mixed selection of the community, not just young hoodies. As was also reported the police were targeting 'black criminal gangs' and this means they will stop and search more black people than anyone else. It is not nice to be stopped on the street and questioned by a police man and it does not help with community relations when it happens regularly. However I do not think it is a black/white problem it is more a rich/poor problem.
I think Marcy is right that most of the riot was an opportunistic set of events and people just partying in an extreme manner but no one would do this to their own community unless they had a complete lack of empathy with themselves and others. These people have little self esteem and more importantly no feeling of a good future.
Police harassment happens everywhere not just Tottenham and just because you do not see a man in uniform does not mean they are not on the street. Political agenda no but there is plenty of underlying frustration.
After last night's copy-cat riots, looks like you may have something there, Marcy!Originally Posted by marcy
hope there no rioting on the 25th near farringdon, liverpool st or paddington....ive got a real ale trail planned and my trip to penzance.
absolutly no need for this behavour.
Look on the bright side
It's Tottenham How would you tell the difference ? Nothing of value has been lost and house prices will rise due to slum clearence.
Also it ensures The uk another gold medal at the olympics , apart from the shooting and petrol bomb throwing events, We will now win the looting with a shopping trolley event.
Last edited by growlley; 08-08-2011 at 05:31 PM.
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More power to the police please
After watching small gangs of criminals destroying peoples' livelihoods day after day in London these last few days, I have every sympathy with the police operation. Originally this was a violent reaction to a police shooting during an investigation into armed criminals, in which a policeman was also shot. No coincidence that these criminals are from the same Broadwater Farm area that started the race riots twenty years ago.
And now it spreads to different areas in London, who have no connection with the original event, and now to Birmingham. These aren't protests, they are just thieves, looters and bullies. And let's not give creedance to those who say, "Ah but they are unemployed, and there's nothing for them to do". Of course that may be true, but there are thousands of people who have been in that position and don't resort to destroying the lives of their countrymen.
Edit: just spotted the other thread on this, perhaps someone could move this to there, ta!
Done!
Last edited by stuart08; 08-08-2011 at 07:30 PM.
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